siggismalls6269: Benchmarks are benchmarks... the maximal performance...

This has nothing to do with real performance

MrBlake6332: I think you’ve got the wrong idea about what benchmarks are for, tbh. Also, if you check the Snowcrows Golem Setup page, they don’t say “take all boons and add all condis” it’s actually much more specific so as to not sway the numbers too far from reality as you claim it does.

People use the benchmarks and benchmark logs to find out how much damage is possible if you play your very best. You can learn from those very best situations in a controlled environment in order to make more informed decisions in actual fights.

Also, benchmarks are for theoretical raid/strike/fractal dps, not open world. People still use these benchmarks in open world because there are many meta events where you will be standing there doing a rotation, too.

LoadedTunafish: Dont really get the point of this video.

Benchmarks always have group content in mind. Any semi competent group will have all boons up.

If you dont care about group content dont watch syrmas builds, watch hizen who does open world solo play builds...

Also if you care about fractals dont use snowcrows and use dT instead.

Everyone with half a brain cell understands you wont be doing 60k dps in open world.

australienski6687: What you are saying is true, however benchmarks have their place, it's like saying a Bugatti's top speed of over 300mph is bullshit because you will never drive that fast in the real world.

xXimakidXx: i understand you're mad. but you know what "benchmark" means right? these kind of build videos like you watched are the reason i only watch lord hizen and occasionally Mrmystic, they show realistic solo scenarios of the build working

MightyTeapot: You know what, let's go. Information communication is a topic that I find really interesting. If you can (no rush), give me a checklist of all the things you'd like to see in a build video, and I'll make that video, feel free to go crazy with a wishlist too, I'll see what I can do lol.

LennysGamingWorld: Hey there, its your pal, Lenny. I just wanted to say that while I feel your intentions are positive, you misunderstand the point of benchmarks in general and what players are intended to take away from them. Benchmarks are intended to be demonstrations of perfectly executed rotations in perfect conditions in order to show the maximum potential of a build, so they can be compared to each other objectively. Additionally, these benchmarks are done for players in group content like fractals and raids and strikes where it is

badarchitect: this is by far one of the worst gw2 videos i have ever seen, you completely misunderstand what the purpose of benchmarks is. you're doing nothing but spread massive misinformation, especially to newer players. delete this video, do better!

RyanApplegatePhD: Like others are saying, you don't seem to understand the point of benchmarks - since you are complaining about how the current system works, what's the proposal? Benchmark in the open world? Which fights/enemies? How would a new player be able to tell if he is playing the build well when there are additional factors to control for in "realistic scenarios" - you seem like a confused person complaining about someone's video who also is not actually a top tier player and just makes videos. Now you can both just make videos that are low tier. Congrats

GamblingDedicated: I think the issue here is miscommunication. Benchmarks are not supposed to be solo open world builds, and the sites have them defined. Even Snowcrows has opened their doors to showcase a lot more of build variation and have now sections for open world builds.Syrma also does a lot of builds and specifies when one is for solo play or if is for instanced content. And yeah, these builds/guide are not designed for entirely new players in mind either. I think guildjen or metabatle had an option for that? Is completely insane to expect a creator to specify where to get each piece of gear on each video/guide every time they upload. Other than creating a ''general gearing'' guide for them to link under every video is very damaging to their own channel to put a large section of the video 95% of the audience will skip because they either already know from their own experience how to get the gear or they have already seen it on a past video and he is not getting paid for it, unlike sponsors *cough cough*.

And as someone who exclusively has played Mirage for over 2500 hours of my 2950 hours in game, i do know about benchmarks not being realistic lol, but things are what they are. Is just a blank slate metric, not an end all be all.

RedundancyDept: I'm glad you mentioned the cost. I don't mind that Legendary gear is so useful for build experimentation--that's the horizontal progression--but I do think a lot of GW2 content creators underrate how annoying/costly it is to put a build together in the absence of Legendary gear. Every choice you make as a newer player is semi-permanent too. Exotic gear is soulbound and of course you need extractors every time you want to swap out an expensive rune.

Also someone like Syrma, who makes great videos, no shade intended--but someone like Syrma, whose business model involves playing a build for maybe a day or two at most before tossing out a video about it, has a bit of a skewed perspective. He doesn't have to care about how the build handles most of the time. My big pet peeve on this score is "Open World Solo Builds" without Stability. Like, if I'm a newer player looking for a general purpose solo build, the last thing I want is something that benchmarks well on a golem but gets thrown around like a ping pong ball in practice. But big benchmark numbers drive clicks. Stability doesn't. Day to day comfort doesn't.

Mayo.4712: this is the guy that they are gonna make raids quickplay for

roescastillo4305: Video Summary: I cry for things i dont understand but i want views so i cry more and more to get attention.

barsyarar341: From a newbie perspective:

I agree with you. But when im following those guides im not thinking about "i will do exactly 66.5k dps and see that damage on chart"

30k dps is also good for me i guess

Candidly_Aloof: "Benchmark" means a standard reference. And they also referenced it as "Golem" benchmark, and most of us old players knows it's not based on actual gameplay, but it has the "Potential". The highest dps benchmark has the "potential" to do the highest damage in a group setting like strikes or Raids. It does not claim to reach the number stated on actual gameplay, just the Golem.

gelatinouscatgirl8369: From the comments it is very clear what kinds of players "defend" benchmarks and how they are completely removed from the average player. They can't even comprehend how game is played outside of their bubble and how information is interpreted by those players.

This idea that "benchmark is just a guide on how to play" or "a goal to strive to" is bullshit.

How should I, a player who does not go deep into the weeds of minmaxing supposed to know that I won't hit max dps on a world boss? And ok, by using my infinite intellect I can logically figure out that of course I won't hit max dps because target is moving and conditions are not perfect, so in my head I'll shave off 5k, maybe 10k. But how am I supposed to know that in reality it is more like 1/4th of the "advertised" damage?

People just really don't want to admit that these videos are clickbait, because "BRO 50k DPS SUPER EZ BUILD BUY NOW" looks much cooler in the title than "7k solo in open world if you're lucky".

flobro6768: Sudden flashback from the past with the video called “the DPS meta is a lie”

KaiGW2: The tittle of your video is what is bringing all this focus to the wrong subject. I agree with the fact that a lot of those videos are not fully honest with their capabilities and that the CC should warn viewers of the shortcomings of the builds such as slow ramp on a condi build or its dependance on certain boons/conditions and their high cost in gold.

Muffinbuttons: I have wondered for a while why the benchmarks don't show all boons and your own boons. It's an easy thing to show and eliminate questions about performance of builds in PVE/raid/strike/fractal environments. Also expect to do 70-80% of the damage cause no way that boss is gonna stand still.

Freyas01: TBH, I think the biggest issue with golem benchmarks is that it doesn't capture the effects of mobility- i.e. even against a stationary target like Cerus, the reason CVirt is(was) so good was because they could deal ranged cleave to kill shadows while keeping dps on the boss, and move around without losing dps from being outside of melee. Other specs could do more golem DPS, but when you're having to run out for every rage or collect orbs, swap to malice shadows, etc, your dps drops. There's almost no enemies where you can just stand in place and DPS, and for the ones that you can, it really doesn't matter if you're doing 20 or 50k dps, half the people there are probably doing 5, and you're still unlikely to fail the fight.

jdubz8173: I would like more understanding of what impact every part of a rotation has. For instance, if I know that my auto attack is essentially like 80% of my damage... then I can focus on that primarily and try to squeeze in what i can afterward. It'd be cool to get a nice visual breakdown of that.

salvatoregalluccio1175: Honestly, I know what benchmarks are, I know what they mean and how they are achieved, but still, I fell like shit when doing half of the damage shown lol

Opus_Fluke: Got into a back and forth with a guild mate about this. They (raid expert/trainer) advocating rotations and builds. Me (open world ultra casual) advocating "Can you solo this enemy and crawl away victorious?" My "benchmark" is how fast I can take down that Tarnished in Auric Basin as a Power Reaper solo. I read the skills, I learnt what works, I die A LOT. But I know what I can solo. Now working on Ritualist the same way: read, build, solo, try not to die.

I know my options. I know how to survive. I know why I press those specific buttons in that order. My DPS? Not a clue. But that Tarnished drops in less in a minute or I'm doing it wrong. If it's over 30 seconds I need to rebuild.

ArchesBro: I agree, Ive tested a lot of the antiquary builds, its very complex but its mostly melee and you need to stand inside the bosses hitbox for ideal power. Its extraordinarily unrealistic other than sc/d and d/d condi builds. Even then what is the point when for the majority of content you can very easily use a build that self stacks might/fury and you crush things with very low intensity at range. There is a reason the vast majority of CMs T4 fractal groups use the exact same builds, but snowcrows makes it seem like lots of stuff is viable, it isnt. I even have trouble ramping on gs reaper compared to some stuff, but the amount of control I have is incredible compared

this.is.a.username: after all the bullshit MS has decided they were going to start doing in the near future, I've completely disabled my windows updates.

Nov 26 2025

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