PixelatedFireball: I like how every race in the OG horde was full of racism, corruption, bloodlust, etc. Then there are the Tauren, vibing in their huts, smokin' peace pipe and praising the Earth Mother. I mean, the Grimtotem are pretty bad but...compared to the other race's "evil versions" they're pretty insignificant.

seanallard9335: There can be no 'bad guys' in World of Peacecraft.

keyne444: Forsaken

Do you think we had forgotten?

Do you think we had forgiven?

patrickb1303: The lore used to have so much more impact than it does now

kylehofmeister6906: The Forsaken really should have been their own faction in WoW.

Thunder_X_Surge: It's a tough balance. You either take away the edge and reason people rolled forsaken, or it just doesn't make sense that them and the Tauren are in the same faction 2 decades later

Thomaswilliamson792: "Speak quickly"

IceifritGaming: The Forsaken always felt like the epitome of you think I'm the villain?! Well then I guess I have to be the villain.

kyuusei19: I always hoped that the Forsaken would split from the Horde for at least one expansion. Even if just in the story while keeping faction mecanics the same.

SMittal9279: Perhaps my only issue I ever had with the Forsaken was with how there were no repercussions for their Evils visited upon them by the Alliance

ruscanugelu5995: Great video!

This is what wow lacks nowadays.

Interesting characters with their own unique motives.

It makes sense for the forsaken to be cold and incapable of love and good emotions, they're the most cursed race in the world of warcraft!

MrOrcshaman: You don't get it do you nixxiom?

Every race that's come into the horde we play today, orcs, trolls, forsaken, goblins, they all have one thing in common.

The tauren peace aura is so strong it made trolls no longer wish to be cannibals, orcs to be negotiators, forsaken to no longer be scourge adjacent and goblins to use their wealth to benefit others.

All of this is because the tauren give off such an aura of peaceful hippieness, it mellowed all other races out.

chubbyninja89: Honestly, I completely disagree with the idea that changing the Forsaken over time was a bad thing, for updating and changing their lore over time isn't automatically a bad thing, what was bad was to what degree to which their lore was changed.

I honestly think that unless Blizzard would've implemented a 3rd "Freelancer" faction or whatever that allows players to either fight or help either the Horde or Alliance or both as mercenaries of sorts, I think that keeping the Forsaken a bunch of pure evil guys wouldn't have been able to just be kept going, certainly not as long as you might think.

But what the writers should've done is to combine both sorts of forsaken attitudes and such, because that would allow for both forsaken who haven't fully given up on their humanity, even it they're really depressed in what they've become and all, but there's also many who have just given into their rage and hatred and want to turn everyone else into undead.

Because the Forsaken just being as evil as the Scourge is one dimensional, as it would literally just be them endlessly trying to keep working on that plague of undeath and never actually finishing it.

BBTheSixth: As a Horde only player since start of WoW, I love how you stick to the truth that the Forsaken and Sylvanas were always evil. I don't think people read texts in quests, or even watched what they were playing even in WC3 era. Was Sylvanas killing bad people and demons? Yes, but that doesn't make her any less evil in the way she did it. While yeah demons should die by any means, betraying Garithos despite him being the embodiment of racism, is still a betrayal. Saying "We are the Forsaken, we will slaughter anyone standing in our way!" While standing on a pile of corpses in front of a burning building doesn't scream signs of a villain, than I don't know what does, might as well added lightning for effect.

Also to add note to your part showing the apothecary with the tauren in it. She was being used as an experiment to make the plague stronger since Tauren were near immune to the plague of death due to their health and resilience. Those experiments were why it was devastaningly effective at the Wrath Gate. She was being lied the whole time that they were trying to cure her but ended up if i recall dieing as a successful undeath plague experiment. Note on top of it all the Tauren are the main reason the Forsaken joined the Horde. The Tauren believed they could help the Forsaken and convinced Thrall for them to join. In the end they became used by rhe Forsaken, a lesson that you can't help everyone.

There was one good quest the Forsaken had and that was to help a granny forsaken pass on from her unlife. Forsaken do break apart and eventually permanetly die. The morbid thing that made this quest happy was the granny Forsaken was happy she was going to die and wanted a nice blanket. Even the goodest quest of the Forsaken was morbid and twisted.

That being said the Forsaken should have had a coming to Jesus moment, but Blizzard backed off at the best opportunity. The Forsaken were always written as Scourge Lite. Only reason they got a pass was to be used as a weapon to the Lich King. When the moment should have happened should have been Cata and Sylvanas should have stayed gone after her self removal. At that point then the Forsaken would have been in a lost postion, they got their revenge, their dietified leader they worship is dead, what now? That's when the Horde should have swept in and teach them the Horde ways of our honor, and Garrosh should have been written to do so.

Sadly instead the writing we got was villain batted Garrosh and people delusionally thinking Sylvanas was always good.

junkerzn7312: Forsaken? no, Warlock gnomes! One day, people will stop laughing at us. Ok, we have no skill with swords, our spell effects are miniaturized, night elves think we’re foot-rests, and our Firestones sound like kids fire-crackers (hint: that’s bad!). But we can fit through small gaps and shortcut through the windows of fortifications. And we’re good at burning dinner. And… never mind all that. One day! Just watch!

wickedshaggy: My first character on release in 2004 was an undead rogue. I loved the undead in WC3 and loved the ambiance and lore with the forsaken in wow. My first character to 60 and first to cross the dark portal.

Zombo108: I would bend the knee before my dark Lady each time I went home to the undercity

RedRam_Menhtrol: I honestly never really liked the idea that the Forsaken has only ever felt hatred or apathy about their past and the world of the living

Because of a lot of some of the voice lines (especially from the Banshee's) in Warcraft 3 and the Lament of the Highborn quest chain in WoW

which hints at a deep grief and pain of what they lost.

They even tried to reach out to the Alliance before joining the Horde but every emissary they sent was killed on sight

out of fear and hatred and i think that's when the Forsaken really started to hate the living and went "You see us only as monster? okay then we will be those monsters"

BenjaminHarkon: The Forsaken are certainly not the "most evil race in World of Warcraft". Not even close.

Even if we're just looking at playable races, Goblins are far, FAR worse. I'd even argue that, in terms of evil deeds, the Orcs beat The Forsaken overall.

ArnoldasBučys: But not blood elves or trolls??

PatrickMcCarthy13: People still play WoW?

Khalith: The forsaken are a microcosm of blizzard’s continuing quest to sand off all edges.

audrius337: Instead of fighting the Scarlets, we really should have just put the Forsaken out of their misery.

TheXGrrX: I think it's sort of fitting in a way for the Forsaken to have come around from the days of feeling like they needed to get payback on all the living races. How many times in life have you wanted something so badly out of anger that once your head has cleared that thing sounds like the furthest thing in the world from what you would really want? I think the Forsaken have just begun to come to terms with their plight and have pivoted to trying to make the best of what they have still. Also, once the Valkyries could bring the dead back to life it kind of killed the need for some sinister back plot of trying to grow the undead race to strengthen their arms to rise against the living.

darthragnok: We could say that they never were free from the Lich King grasp, not completely, at least till Arthas in WOTLK.

gerhard7988: Great video again. This explains why I was always drawn to rolling a forsaken warlock when starting characters. Worst of the worst.

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