Enoz___: I agree. If you need an addon/plugin to do the work for you then why bother? You're then not doing it to learn it and have fun and master something. you're just doing it as a chore. which tbh sounds like a sucky reason.

mindinversions4487: It has been 23 YEARS since I started MMOs. This conversation hasn't changed. {Rise of the Zilart XI expansion if you're curious}

WickedKnight_: I will say, as someone that does need to use mods/plugins for accessibility reasons due to having difficulty proccessing a lot of info, which stems from needing to understand everything about a thing to know why I need to do said thing this way over that way outside of "it's so you don't get hit", and this game not having a proper way to reduce the visual noise of various fights (looking at you p3s with your orange arena with orange teligraphs, orange mechanics minus 1, orange skybox, and orange boss), I agree with you on the fact that if you use them to play the game for you and don't put forth the effort to learn as you prog, then drop the game and go "play" an autoclicker game.

Once I understand a fight enough to be able to do it without, the info processing stuff gets turned off with only the visual noise reduction stuff staying on

ArtharsFF14: EFFING BASED HELL YEA!

nagrathon1502: You're not wrong in this. People have an obsession with being able consume consume consume and if they cant "do" the content and get all the rewards immediately so they can move to the next game and piece of content the hate on it. Its designed to be done multiple times and ENJOYED multiple times.

And if you use mods to play the game for you then you probably also think Gen ai isnt theft >.>

KippoKupo: only mods I use are artemis roleplay for the voiceovers cause i am neurodivergent but you did mention accessibility which is why i use it. Other than that its all just small QOL and penumbra ig. Once I get to the endgame grind I will not fall to QOL mods for bossing. Im doin that RAW

KawaiiDespair: I did both DSR and top w/o AM s;. I even did the marking for wroth in my current group. and we all agree it's way better then just doing it with AM, and I get like "oh, no one would pug it w/o it" but like duh..the content isn't made to be puggable. AND ALSO, man, everyone complains everything in xiv is "one and done" and they want a reason to log in..but when square gives us a grind everyone complains. make it make sense T_T.

Last thing, I'm not sure what part of the cosmic grind you were talking about, but the 500K/every class grind was I'm assuming meant to last til 8.0 and be done across all planets not a "grind it out in a couple months" achievement. The mount do kinda suck regardless tho

Capn_Nemo: If you think this is a hot take then you are the problem smile Not having the time/skill/etc is your problem. Fix it or don't play

jacobcarr9940: Got the the crystal paste step last friday and it gives me a reason to try to get the wings from Doomtrain so I'm glad about that.

rodimus580: I need no mods I’ve played long enough to recognize patterns and have amazing internet speed.

DarkBass862: I'm on the fence when it comes to some plug ins for raiding. I only raid up to savage level content, so I haven't felt the need to use raid assisting plug-ins,. If you still have to physically perform correctly to win, I'm a bit more forgiving since it's evening out the playing field so to speak. Ask any old school FF 11 player about nyzul isle and how they feel about fillmode

ashemabahumat4173: Cosmetic buffs and custom content is pretty dope, ngl

CADPgamer: I've been raiding since Abyssos in Endwalker, and while I've yet to set foot in M12S, I've cleared up to M11S this tier, and the hardest difficulty of content I've ever done is savage. I use plugins like XIVAlex or NoClippy (depending on which one isn't shitting itself atm) to make combat feel smoother since I play in NA despite being in Southeast Asia. One thing I've always felt like with the raids is that I've never used cactbot, because I tend to have these mentalities:

Progging a fight - I don't want to rely on Cactbot, because I need to understand the fights better to know what's going on

Reclearing a fight - I now understand what's going on in the fight, relying on cactbot is pointless

Even when fight mechanics are not implemented as well as they can be, majority of these fights ARE designed without needing these mods that you need for callouts, especially since the game itself is on Playstation.

Also, in terms of the content grind, I originally bitched about it, but that was because I was still at the atma phase since I got bored of the grind when the step was available on release. When I actually went through all of the steps, it actually wasn't as bad as I thought it'd be, and now I'm caught up with all of the steps, and just spending tomes on whatever relics I'm interested in.

jarmank7191: Yeah i agree that mods shoudnt be impacting your gameplay or should be required to clear a fight and they are not in the most literal sense. the main mod that comes to mind is AM obviously. For UWU, DSR and every ultimate but TOP you def do not need AM in like pf. but in TOP i dont know how people would organize Dynamis passes easily without any communications, groups that dont use AM typically have one person manual marking anyways but ive only seen one, maybe two pfs that did manual marking. I think the TOP fight design is intrinsically against pf a little bit. but all other pieces of content am is not needed in the slightest

originalHiruy: I stopped raiding and doing ultimates now, but in terms of plugins/cactbot and such, the idea of just and taking the time/effort to learn and do figure out a fight I do agree and always done personally without relying on 3rd party tools myself in my old static. However that goes out the window for people who actively joins a static with people or friends unless its mutually agreed to not use plugins at all since its not just your own time at that point, its everyone's time. People tend to be really self-conscious in ffxiv more so now compared to like ARR/heavensward era, they dont want to the be the problem when trying to clear or they dont want to clear and raid late into the raid tier when there is a lot less people. which is how 1-2 friends were in my static that i knew had plugins to help.

Content grinding for relics has never been my thing and I only bothered to do ARR and HW relics back in the day, but I think the idea of not having time to do the grind is mostly cause its better to do the grind when it will be at its peak player count, which would be the first 1-3 weeks of the content drop. which those type of players wont even bother or finish the grind even if they had all the time in the world anyways honestly. Overall if someone is going to use plugins or complain about how long a grind is when you dont have time to do it despite it not meant to be done in one sitting then you have less of say of how hard or long content should be to me.

Fudeka: I agree with most what was said in the video. The only thing I would disagree with is the comments about the markers. I think marks can and are useful for the purpose of learning the fight. I regularly get disoriented when doing mechanics and have markers there remind me of what I need to do and where I need to stand is helpful for my learning process.

szunaloneheart3148: the main issue is, people are not interested into doing content which is out for a while. sometimes it was even hard to do stuff which came out 2 weeks ago or something like that. Not to mention stuff like Eureka, Bozja, etc. People who start a new character or new player in general struggle to find groups for older content and i fear you really underestimate the struggle with said issue. So HOW do you expect people to enjoy content which simply no one plays anymore?

KaranaiaPlaysGames: I actually have a crazy perspective that the community would hang me for in that I think watching guides for fights completely devalues the challenge of using your brain to figure out what any given mechanic does and how you should coordinate with everyone to solve it - it's like seeing all the answers to a test before sitting it, but I know I'm a lil freak and respect that people don't really view it that way, there's still challage in executing the dance even when you know where you should place your every step so it's okay to watch guides just please for the love of god when I make a BLIND PROG party in pf don't come and link a hector plan I am begging you please respect that there are masochistic freaks like me in this community that will beat their head against the wall for 6 months trying to figure a single mechanic out and will refuse to look up how to do it or have someone tell them what to do.

LuxLucidum: My opinion on the matter of modding in high end content is that once you get to the level of auto rotation or showing AOEs /straight up botting, it's gone too far. Personally I can understand the use of auto markers in truly difficult content such as TOP. However, I do think everyone should understand why auto markers marks them that way, and why the mechanic is resolved that way, rather than blindly following where is say to stand on a cheatsheet/raidplan. It should not be relied on to the point of being clueless without it, but should be a tool for consistency when necessary. Ultimately, people will do whatever they want to do; no point in trying to stop them, especially since their mod (over)use has no impact on me

TheDevilsOwl505: While I'm not sure if mods in FF14 are similar to say, addons in WoW, my feelings towards both are the same as yours in regards to how easy it makes a Boss fight, they shouldn't do it for you or bypass mechanics. If you have the time to play the content, then you have time to learn it. If your whole goal is to just breeze past everything, why play MMOs, same goes with grinds. While I don't think they need to be mind numbingly long, especially for small rewards, gameplay loops exist for a reason. If you just one shot everything and got rewards within minutes, then there would be no content. Which I bet, the same people who complain about "Not having time to learn" would cry and complain about the game being dead if they just got what they wanted first try and beat bosses with ease.

martinsmith9371: Here's my 50p with a couple of examples

The relic grind is good/ok. I didn't want and EW TOMBstone farm so happy got a couple of things to do, sad to see after the first it becomes tomb dumb but gives me something to spend those useless tombs on

In terms of mods. I've been against most mods and plug ins for a while. Things like colour ones or sound ones I'm fine with but I've seen loads in PvP and extremes which ruins the experience imo.

As of call outs there's a weird thing for me personally in the doomtrain ex where I was thankful for call out (in and spread to be more specific) because on the playstation I really struggled to hear the difference in clackity clack but I made sure to know where to stand on each so it's not like I didn't learn the fight. So call outs can be helpful but it's still good to know what to do for them.

As of the moon, I absolutely despise that place but I do an hour a week just to slowly build my gear up and get bits (still not got that board yet tho)

generalpenny: 1st half of the vid i dont have a strong opinion on when it comes to automarkers, i guess its up to each player and as long as the game doesnt encourage the use of 3rd party stuff through frustrating design people will not really be compelled to use them. 2nd half you earned my sub hella based opinion, and if anything they need to keep going into the other direction more, make the 1 time grinds for relics permanent but nerf them so theyre not too bs. Tired af of roulettes as well. People are really obsessed with this excuse of not having the time to do it, but dont realize they are playing a game that has already thought of that and in reality the grinds take a very similar ammount of time they would take if you only did you usual rolos, maybe just a bit more

MegaDoomWaffle: I view mods that help you play similarly to getting better pc hardware to get an advantage except they're free and more accessible. I personally don't see the point of playing with mods that play the game for you or tell you exactly where to stand in every mechanic but idc if other people do it. Just don't use mods that assist you and pretend that you're some kind of ff14 master. I grey and green parse in savage alot but I press my own buttons.

EchoHitomi: I don’t personally think just using Cactbot itself is a problem, I do think it’s not much different than a person doing callouts themselves, but if you rely on it completely to do the content than that IS a problem. You should be learning how to do the fight properly and only using the Cactbot callouts as a reminder just like you would use human callouts, it shouldn’t be that if you can’t have the callouts you can’t do the content at all.

As per the relic grind, this grind isn’t even that bad. The paste grind is fairly easy, sure it can take a while but as you said it’s supposed to take a while, but you can’t really call it hard when you can just grind a bunch of leveling roulettes and get the paste at your own speed.

neomence: When it comes to combat mods, imo you really shouldn't use any because it decreases the fun of it. HOWEVER especially when progging UWU and TOP in pf it's basically impossible to get further into the fight because people want automarkers so desperatly for certain mechanics. And there is a line then for me, where I say it's fine for me as long as I actually get to play the content I want to play because otherwise people would just leave the party or just not join in the first place. Thankfully it's mostly for those 2 fights but yeah.

Otherwise if the mods don't bother anyone else and are just cosmetic stuff I'm honestly fine with it

elgatochurro: Back when I was ping uwu, I found a discord ran by a dude who I got to my usual phase 3 with as well. He was later streaming and just needed another healer, my main role, to full his pf search.

I asked if I could join his pf4 since I got to the end of pf3 quite comfortably. He said no, that I was bad and he's on such a higher level than me... while streaming... HIS MODS... HIS HUD HAD A TRANSPARENT EXTRA MAP THAT TOLD HIM EXACTLY WHERE TO GO, VISUALLY EVEN, WHERE THE BOSS WAS, WHAT SIDE OF TITAN TO STAND ON WITHOUT A NEED TO PEEK BACK, HOW FAR HED BE PUSHED FROM TITAN, WHAT MOVE WAS NEXT, WHERE TITAN JUMPED, WHERE TO GO TO NOT DIE ETC ETC ETC

And yet he ridiculed me while showing off his mods on stream, only being a phase ahead of me... and then invited me to join IMMEDIATELY after a different healer quit after a wipe.

I should've latish laughed at him, I was flabbergasted though... the ride behavior after I was pulling my weight, the shock of just how much handholding the guy ridiculing me needed (yes, literally, it gave him EVERYTHING step by step for his role, even what mits to use and when if I remember right) and then the sudden flip like "OK nvm, you can join"

toadey6577: As someone who does a lot of raiding, ultimates and relics, this is by far the best relic grind they ever made. It's grindy for one Weapon, but not too grindy to get all of them.

With Plugins, I honestly don't care what people use, as long as I can play with my group on Patch Day i'm happy. If someone cheats the living shit out of the Savages and Ultimates, as long as they don't have an ego about it and flex with that, I really don't care tbh. (honestly I want my group in pf to have all the plugins available so we can actually clear )

Mar 31 2026

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