discoN-ferno: If zos gets rid of GH permanently, I swear I am jumping off lessy bridge and I won't revive this time

Hithrae: Vengeance is so good I bought the latest GW 2 expansion :D

jimmyjuju: The best aspect of Vengeance are zero optimized ball groups. Zergs, yes. Groups, yes. But no unbeatable ball groups. Gray Host should be abandoned by ZOS if they can't address the extreme power of optimized ball groups.

Mei_83: I remember the flames of ambition patch.. It was best thing zeni gave us since release of this game... There was couple sets which we can use like Pariah & hundings & julianos & spriggan & spinner few more etc Yet there was no procs.. There was no cp.. And everyone was free whatever they wanna use.. Dizzy was knocking people off which was amazing so noone forced to use vamp spammable or concelled weapon & surprise attack lmao Hope they bring something similar to this... Because it was pure fun... I still remember getting chased by 15 people in that campaign and killing every single one of them in openfield lmao was so fucking legendary^^

TheStonedSensei-h5i: It's crazy how this game has declined since subclass. Even crazier most players knew it would happen and actively warned the devs. Not crazy they didn't listen though history has shown they don't really care as long as crown stores milking fools. Great video ggs I'll see you at bridge ceremony hopefully we all get fed to the fish or blown TF up by roa charm

john84663: To me the biggest flaw in Vengeance is the cap on aoe damage abilities. They created a campaign to encourage zerging and then made it so your abilities can hit a max of 4 people. The only way to counter a zerg when you don't have numbers is with bombers and ballgroups, both of which they eliminated with the aoe target caps, so whoever zergs hardest wins. Perk system is an improvement but not enough to get me to play this garbage.

JEYFATELLIO: Wwm is a good fill in until gh back.

CORNISHDUDE: During evening primetime all 3 alliances have 0 bar population on PsEu. IF there was 900 players in a huge battle it would be fun but there isn't and never will be.

mcswat7942: Don’t increase base movement speed. When you slot major expedition you are plenty fast, and you can sprint on top of that. Any faster and it will begin to ruin the gameplay experience for newer pvpers and drastically increase the skill gap.

I enjoyed this vengeance a ton. Yes I miss bombing, but I’ll take this any day over fighting unkillable builds, super fast/tanky builds with absurd burst, and ball groups.

They could keep greyhost, but I think the majority of players will choose to play a mode like this vengeance over greyhost. It levels the playing field more which is fun. Of course more customization is more fun, but 90% of the people I knew stopped playing PvP since subclassing due to the absurdly broken builds. If greyhost is kept, it’ll likely just become a 1v1 dueling ground with the occasional ball groups I bet

This vengeance quite a few pvpers who left the game returned and are having a good time. This is definitely a move in the right direction! It’s fun to have people to PvP with again

PNX034: I think ESO is a dying game

xyourdeus4972: I'm gonna be in minority but I don't mind vengeance. I mean it has the same exact problems no proc Ravenwatch had, and that was my favorite campaign when it still existed.

Sets and variety was limited and focused primarily on what your class gives you, but I enjoyed that.

This will just be a return to what Ravenwatch was like, and that's okay for me.

If population dwindles I think it'll be a result of failing game mechanics and poor dev decisions, rather than rulesets. Because pvp was already suffering even without vengeance being a thing because the devs don't do their job of supporting the community.

wardropper: I don't get the enthusiasm for Vengeance... Being used as a hamstrung guinea-pig while the devs try to work out what they have been doing wrong for a decade, is not my idea of progress. Oh, and I want to be paid for the time I am forced to stop playing the game I paid for in Cyrodiil...

BeatDemBad86: As far as i'm concerned lag is'nt caused by skills animations. I can be around 3 ball groups and 60 randoms with no lag but as soon as a small group of known cronus users spawns close by i get lag spikes.

Thependulum9: Great video. But Vengeance is still just not good enough. Grey Host is still better.

Get_familiar_: In the Vengence campaign I am experiencing the same performance issues as Grey Host, so if that's the issue they are trying to resolve, they need to give up because it's not working.

They need to make a smaller Cyrodiil map (more fighting and less horse simulator) with the 3 alliances having settlements surrounding a kingdom and you all have to fight for the throne.

rynosquest6732: Vengeance is the putrid pile of shit underneath a dozen other steaming piles of shit in a port-a-potty at an overcrowded music festival

storm27stars: I wonder if this all related to cross play, and maybe they don't care if there's not full bars yet, as they know once cross play is here, the population will fill up (or they hope).

The third test should have shown them that PvP players generally hate Vengeance (or the population would have been there), this test should confirm that opinion.

When Grayhost is turned on, it'll put the nail in the coffin.

You just watch though, ZoS will come up with some cock and bull reason for not turning Grayhost back on while Vengeance is up, cause they know players will flood into Grayhost and embarass them.

I could be completely wrong though, but we will find out soon.

5bh71: Vengeance is good. It exposes a lot of top shitters

mtmoore333: I play for my character and build. BG and IC prevails

musiccomment: The problem with PvP on Xbox EU is that one huge, unkillable group ends up sweeping the map, and then no one bothers logging in anymore. Like you said, it’s just a numbers game. Maybe disabling group healing and buffing could help balance things out.

Dhurshug: If they get rid of GH I'm done, the hours and time theory crafting, farming specific items... monster sets, trial sets, dungeon sets and not to mention wtf did i level crafting!!!!!!!!

richrodz711: I just found out I can change my skills in there. It was more fun using those skills, than the layout they give you at the beginning. And yes I gave in and played.

krieg_guardsman9548: Honestly this is the first some what positive video I've seen on vengeance. I might give it a look this afternoon

Wrld_Nme: I am going to return for this, it sounds fun.

davidmckinley5343: This version is a little better but if the only point is to make their servers work better, I would rather them actually fix their server situation instead of dumbing down the game.

Mubzander: All the people complaining got skill issue lol. Cant hide behind dots n bomb builds anymore!

Zukyzi: I quit

Dec 10 2025

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