elodiedelva6895: Recluse > all <3

parpixel: This feels like a damage based tierlist, but you gotta remember that night bosses and finalboss do not have a timer. Survival matters just as much as dps there.

The worse your team/run is going, the better guardian becomes. All he needs is a purple shield and some stamina and he blocks most attacks, will rarely go down, grabs aggro from boss, and can res and fully heal both teammates instantly with his ult.

droope8474: I think they way to make revenant FP problem could be solved by changing Sebastian passive buff from giving you plus resistance to slowly recovering FP from the relic that strengthen your family

bigdoggameing1236: People crap on gardian but don't forget his ultimate makes you and team Invincible. Get his remembrance relics You can do massive amounts of healing during the ult

Lantano47: I can believe you would put guardian so low. Guardian is the only character that exceeds at doing continuous damage while the boss is hard focusing you. Most of his damage comes from the unique thrusting attack counters for those that don't know thrusting weapons do more damage if you hit an enemy while they are mid attack.

mahnameisj: You think they'll add more down the line? This game feels like it's meant to run for a long timeframe and I'm not used to that for a FromSoftware game haha

BenderIsGreat3464: But every time i choose guardian we win

Big_smoke69445: I think revenant should gain a similar amount of fp as recluse when she summons one of her family members, it would encourage you to cycle your family members instead of crutching one and it would encourage you to not let any of them die because you lose opportunity for fp

tannercarter2377: nothings more satisfying than just punching a boss in the f’ing face with raider

stephenlewis6922: For the algorithm!

Codename_aether: Rev’s family should slowly and continuously add fp on successful attack. enough to fill a bar back up during an encounter using only melee. That way she could alternate between casting and melee/kiting and stay topped off. Also her claws should count as claws and fist weapons. I think that’s the best way to balance her.

My cousin is a rev main and I am constantly feeding him shards every game, 2 from merchant, at least 2 in game and 2 from day 3 merchant. 6 shards from me and the same amount from himself, that is not a sustainable playstyle.

I find her ability to draw aggro underrated. Small hitbox, claws draw aggro themselves, she has the summons that can be used to solo kite while the team is focused on the trash, second boss or even a rez, plus her ultimate makes you death immune. she can also provide heals with seals so tanking a hit is possible without draining flasks.

I understand she has low health but this works well with her kit imo. it’s not like having no strength keeps people from using colossal weapons.

DNYLNY: Birdman is life.

daniellehill5196: There's a training dummy that can attack back. It's a marionette in the stone circle in the sparring grounds. Should have used that to show off executor's parry.

ginwilliam7763: Not really sure how you can put Guardian so low. To paraphrase part of your logic: 'if you don't have 2 DPS then he's not good'. That's not when you would pick him tho. Like of course a team with 3 guardians isn't gonna do well, but that's not a point out of his favour. You gotta see what your tm8s are gonna run before you pick yours. He's the team anchor. He's not there to do damage either. He's there to tank aggro, hold the fort and rez tm8s when needed. The character skill is next to useless in a boss fight tho I'll give you that.

richardmenz3257: Try the heavy relic that makes wind attacks for halbert it makes his dmg way higher does up to extra 78 per heavy. Also does a shit stun of stagger in solo most bosses get staggered in 2 hits. In groups he can be tank normally in big bosses n heavies for normal / smaller peoples.

reginaldh2079: Boom

walkerhenning5155: Revenant is hands down my favorite. Her fp can be an issue but starlight are abundant so it's manageable. absolutely tragic she didn't rank higher.

patrickburke2187: Guardian is being criminally underrated.

The issue is that people aren’t playing it right.

Guardian doesn’t have good “scaling” in terms of its offensive stats. Weapons don’t make AS much a difference to Guardian as they do to other classes.

However, it scales great with dormant powers, passive weapon bonuses, and relic effects . There are SO many insanely broken combinations you can get with guardian.

Even something as simple as “blocking restores hp” becomes MUCH more powerful when you also get something like “blocking increases damage negation” and “blocking reflects a portion of the blocked damage”

I have basically soloed multiple nightlords in online co-op as guardian with combinations like this.

People are just trying to play it the same way as they are trying to play other classes, which is to focus on weapons and damage.

Guardian needs to be played by trying to develop synergies between the dormant powers you find, your relic passives, and the passive bonuses attached to the weapons you pick up.

As a brief aside, Halberds are generally the best weapons for Guardian. I know the move set can be kind of clunky, and Greatsword/axe/hammers and colossal weapons feel great to use, but Halberds give you access to something really important.

Guardian’s can do charged guard counters with Halberds, and they hit 4-5 times. When you combine this with the ability to R1 while blocking, Guardian’s are actually one of (if not the) best class in the game at making use of “on successive attack” effects, especially when you have an ash of war like spinning slash or Charge Forth, which hit many times and deal good damage.

I have significantly outdamaged Ironeyes on boss fights many times. Guardian doesn’t have good “damage” stats. But what Guardian DOES have is the ability to convert their health and stamina INTO damage by blocking.

Once you get the Witch’s Brooch relic, Guardian comes online as a character. From there, the number of synergistic builds you can put together is insane.

I recently tried a build with a relic that grants ultimate cd reduction on block, and another relic that grants Ult CD reduction 3 and draws enemy aggro while blocking.

My ult is literally always up when I need it. It revives my teammates. It heals them to full. It makes them immune to damage. I never die because my ult is now an infinitely replenishing flask that I can also use to I-frame dangerous attacks.

People are really, really, really sleeping on guardian. I wouldn’t be surprised if people started bumping it up to S tier in the coming months.

lavontemurphy8803: I’m a duchess main she’s amazing

akhilpradeep9485: Makes sense cause I can only play wylder and ironeye.

Elder-Gød-666: Executor has definitely been one of my gotos along with Ironeye

李根基-k9q: That golden wand！I play witch，obviously I need it！You took it away from me，Even though you don't use it and you don't need it

damien6320: Just had a pec tear how’s your now after all these years?

TheDestinedOne789: Dutch and revenant is my main

scar432: Executor being the best status build up character makes him A tier if you bad

S if you are good

Most night lords can be poisoned and thts HP%dmg

Jun 08 2025

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